... Ioun, and the Raven Queen, and a fairly solid idea of how to finish Vecna. For context, way back when they were rolling up characters for the home game, on their podcast Sam asked Liam what was the worst possible character he could play. I missed that part too my first time watching and when I later saw the clip I had so many feelings. To counterspell the teleport with no roll necessary in the D&D rule book has to be cast two levels or more higher. If the spell that is being countered is higher level than the level at which Counterspell is cast, then there is a die roll with a DC equal to 10 + the spell level. This has been stated in other parts of this and many other threads. You attempt to interrupt a creature in the process of casting a spell. Both Sam and Scanlan are weighing their friend against the world at that point, knowing that this is probably their last, best chance at a god. Saved from youtube.com. LAURA: Yay! Scanlan, knowing he has a single ninth level spell left, uses it to counterspell the teleportation, even though it means he can no longer use wish to save Vax. Teleport is a 7th level spell that cannot be up-casted. 1. 9th-level conjuration Casting Time: 1 action Range: Self Components: V, S, M Duration: Instantaneous Wish is the mightiest spell a mortal creature can cast. I, too, like to imagine "what if", but unless they actually wanted to fight and kill the RQ (a far more difficult act than killing Vecna), his fate was sealed. SAM: Yes. From the PHB, chapter 10 (emphasis mine): When a spellcaster casts a spell using a slot that is of a higher level than the spell, the spell assumes the higher level for that casting. I thought that Scanlan cast at 9th level because he had used up his 7th and 8th level slots, and didn't want to chance a roll for DC17 to counter a 7th level Teleport. A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range then blossoms with a low roar into an explosion of flame. ---At level 10 with 1 rest: cast 4 spells with effective 14 spell levels ---At level 11 with 1 rest: cast 7 spells with effective 24 spell levels ---At level 16 with 1 rest: cast 10 spells with effective 34 spell levels---At level 19 with 1 rest: cast 16 spells with effective 50 … Right before the fight, Vax grabs Keyleth to quickly give her what may be their last kiss. Oct 27, 2017 - Scanlan uses his 9th level spell to Counterspell Vecna. [edit] Since you mention Level 6 magical secrets, take Counterspell at 6th (if you haven't already). Counterspell text says: "You attempt to interrupt a creature in the process of casting a spell. dispelling at 6th-level. If the creature is casting a spell of 3rd level or lower, its spell fails and has no effect. Orange: OK options, or useful options that only apply in rare circumstances 3. If the counter spell is cast two spell slots above the spell cast, if automatically succeeds. "Vox Machina had been traveling for a means of stopping the ascension of the Whispered One, Vecna, the lich, seeking ascension to godhood. He also used a 3rd level on Dominate (Natural 20), and Scanlan 2 used an 8th level counterspell on Dispel Magic early in the fight. The success/failure of this mission now rests upon what Sam/Scanlan does with the Wish spell prior to the long rest. If you're not a Lore bard, Counterspell kinda eats into one of the level 10 or 14 options. Sam had already used his 7th and 8th level spells, so he had to use his 9th level spell to guarantee a success. Jon Heder had a conflict, and won't be able to make it. Scanlans 9th level counterspell was clutch yes, but I had to rewatch the episode again to know what happened and the context of the counterspell, Thank you … Below is the full transcript of Critical Role episode113, The Final Ascent.This episode courtesy of these lovely critters: Transcription: @AdamMiscrazy, androgynousweirdo, @argentumlupine, @chocolatecleric, @Echoproasheck, keylethvax, @musicalfantasie, @mybelovedashes, otsukiokami, troubledangelinthetimevortex, and @ulyssesgray. So for the guarantee success he made the hard choice and went for the 9th slot. This allowed Grog, now unfrozen from the aftereffects of Haste, to apply Ioun’s trammel. I like the two levels higher idea though because it still has a risk reward feel. He could Wish that Percy had noticed that trap before it went off. Search Amazon.com: Purchase: Account - Platinum Upgrade - New Avatar - Other's Avatar - Archives - No-Ads - New Username - Banner Advertisement - Smilie - Stick Thread - Gift Cert. The way the pics are split up with the lines in between is done perfectly. So for a 7th level teleport, Counterspell must be cast at 7th level or higher. Oh, at 8th-level, it means that it nullifies the spell. Vecna's best move at that point might have been to just stop flying and plummet to his death, to escape VM and get reborn at his phylactery. Each creature in a 20-foot radius sphere centered on that point must make a Dexterity saving throw. Male I come to play with the toys left by insolent, forgotten ancients and make this world into a … #critical role #campaign 1 #vax'ildan #scanlan shorthalt #sam reigel #liam o'brien #ninth level counterspell #i'm fucking emotional about this and i want to talk about it #i'm sure it was talked to death when it happened #that's one of the worst things about being late to the party #crit role #scanlan #vax #counterspell Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Percy and Grog, seeing this, do their best to blast the hand off of him, though they know their strategy is not likely to work. Everytime I see that fanart, I breakdown. Damn. Another of his best episodes, which really nails down the fascinating new collaborative artform we love in gaming, is about the "greatest story in gaming" (not about critical role) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9jxVbg_RWQ. Liam said a gnome bard would be the worst, so that's what Sam decided to be. Matt kind of handed that one to Sam by announcing what level slot Vecna was using. Couldn't Scanlan's 9th level Counterspell have been potentially countered by a 3rd level Counterspell? Told that, yes, Vecna cannot be allowed to leave, he counters the Teleport with a 9th-level Counterspell. 2. Vecna had already thrown around a lot of power. Going through the Youtube comments on Matt Colville's video, I found this - "Six people walked into that room willing to fight a god. #CriticalRole, (Full size here: https://orig00.deviantart.net/926d/f/2017/280/0/8/counterspell_by_pettyartist-dbpvftm.png ), ^[Contact creator]^[Source code]^[Donate to keep this bot going]^[Read more about donation]. Using the Ritual of Seeding that was once responsible for bringing the Raven Queen into the pantheon, [it] brought him as well, as the sole god on this side of the Divine Gate, a… College of Valor. Okay now that I’ve had a minute… let’s talk about that 9th level counterspell. I remember listening to that podcast the day it aired, and then fast forward now. If it is casting a spell of 4th level or higher, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. He said scalanin could probably make some sort of deal but it would have to be veeeery well worded. Peerless Skill (14th level): After rolling an ability check you can add some Bardic inspiration juice. I will use the color coding scheme which has become common among Pathfinder build handbooks, which is simple to understand and easy to read at a glance. I saw that one, I fucking curled into a ball and died when I saw that. Songs of battle and heroism fuel the College of Valor. Note: In the below lists, Scanlan 1 is the original Scanlan. At least a 7th or 8th level one? A target takes 8d6 fire damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. Been a while, and I'm sure some folks will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think by that point Scanlan had already used all of his 7th and 8th level spell slots (mainly on other counterspells), so it was either use the 9th level spell or roll, with the possibility of Vecna escaping and becoming way more dangerous. Scanlan used his 7th, 8th, and 9th level spellslots on counterspells. We understand that not everyone is in a place to talk about or hear discussions surrounding this very real issue. Note that the spell doesn't have to detail more powerful effects in order for you to be able to cast it at a higher level. Watching it again after realizing what happened was kind of surreal for me. If it is casting a spell of 4th level or higher, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. The 7th was used on a Feeblemind, the 8th on a Banishment, and the 9th on teleport. Extends beyond just basic skills such as: Initiative, Dispel Magic, Counterspell, and Telekinesis, too. Join them as they check in on one another and discuss what they've been up to. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the criticalrole community, Discussion forum for the live D&D show Critical Role, every Thursday night at 19:00 Pacific on https://www.twitch.tv/CriticalRole, Press J to jump to the feed. Oct 27, 2017 - Scanlan uses his 9th level spell to Counterspell Vecna. LIAM: Fuck you, Vecna! No, read the description for Counterspell: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 4th level or higher, the interrupted spell has no effect if its level is less than or equal to the level of the spell slot you used. A bittersweet ending like that is in many ways the perfect end to a long campaign like that. It would have been interesting to see if Scanlan could have saved Vax with his Wish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8EoyXTHV8. That's the way I thought it was too! - Donations! The DC equals 10 + the spell's level If Vecna had cast teleport at 9th level, and Scanlan had used a 7th-level slot for his counterspell, he would have had to roll. Scanlans 9th level counterspell was clutch yes, but I had to rewatch the episode again to know what happened and the context of the counterspell, Thank you guys for making characters that helped me tremendously. The only way to ensure that Vecna wouldn't counter Scanlan's Counterspell automatically was to cast it at 9th level. I think Vecna was completely out of spell slots at that point in the fight, or maybe just had 1st and 2nd level slots left. Scanlan cast counterspell at 9th level. I think your question has been answered (no other spell slots of sufficient level to cast the spell without requiring a roll, which could have failed), but I want to clarify one thing. Art. ", Matt commented in a talks that it would have been very difficult to use the wish to save vax. The DC equals 10 + the spell's level. Props to the artist not just for the great art, but the "cinematic" quality as well! The teleportation spell shattered like cheap glass bottles made to look older. Critical Role - … For instance, if Umara casts magic missile using one of her 2nd-level slots, that magic missile is 2nd level. May 21, 2018 - boaillustration - Posts tagged costume design New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the criticalrole community, Discussion forum for the live D&D show Critical Role, every Thursday night at 19:00 Pacific on https://www.twitch.tv/CriticalRole, Press J to jump to the feed. An 8th level Counterspell would have left Vecna the opportunity to counter Scanlan's spell with an 8th level Counterspell of his own. \"Oh, you haven't heard of Scanlan Shorthalt? When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 4th level or higher, the interrupted spell has no effect if its level is less than or equal to the level of the spell slot you used. Just because teleport (and many other spells) doesn't have additional or heightened effects when cast at higher levels doesn't mean that those spells can't still be cast with a higher-level spell slot. It's kind of a must-have spell, and especially good for Bards due to Jack Of All Trades applying to the check. It's where your interests connect you with your people. You can see everyone else kind of jubilant at their victory and Sam’s face just drops like a stone with disappointment. Victory, but with that slightly tangy aftertaste of what could have been in a more perfect world. :( He was great as Lionel and was the main reason I was excited for tonight's episode. Red: Bad, useless options, or options which are extremely situational. Told that, yes, Vecna cannot be allowed to leave, he counters the Teleport with a 9th-level Counterspell. It was a very emotional episode over all, but part just broke me. It was impossible for any spell to resist a disruption of that strength, even a god. Some spells, such as magic missile and cure wounds, have more powerful effects when cast at a higher level, as detailed in a spell's description. This episode contains discussions surrounding COVID-19. This fanart (of the 8th level counterspell) is one of my favorite things, you might like it too: https://twitter.com/Pettyartist/status/916878474052333568. saw a comment at the time that said something like "The whole team was prepared to fight one god that night, but only one of them had a plan to fight against two. SA Forums - Something Awful - Search the Forums OLD! Unfortunately, he couldn't have known that. [/edit] Also, Healing Spirit is made of cheese 3rd-level evocation Casting Time: 1 action Range: 150 feet Components: V, S, M (a tiny ball of bat guano and sulfur) Duration: Instantaneous A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range and then blossoms with a low roar into an explosion of flame. ... Scanlan succeeding in Ioun's trial by finding one very specific book in the titular, aptly named. Had Vecna decided to use a lower level slot to counter Scanlan's spell, casting it at 9th level also ensured that the DC would be as high as possible. At Higher Levels: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 4th level or higher, the interrupted spell has no effect if its level is less than or equal to the level of the spell slot you used. MATT: Okay, go ahead and roll. So Vecna couldn't Counterspell. Grog grabs the trammel from Pike and stabs it into Vecna’s chest. Followed by Scanlan trying to sex her up and promptly getting ushered out quicker. Honestly, best case scenario would probably be making a Simulacrum of himself, and telling it to just blow all his stuff on Counterspell, Hold Person/Hold Monster, Healing Words and … So Vecna using a 3rd level Counterspell would have to succeed on DC19 to negate Scanlan's 9th level Counterspell. Both Sam and Scanlan are weighing their friend against the world at that point, knowing that this is probably their last, best chance at a god. I like to imagine that once Scanlan's life comes to a close, that the Raven Queen will take a little longer ushering him to the afterlife due to the sacrifice he made. Liam O’Brien’s character, Vax’ildan, had been returned to the game as a revenant by the Raven Queen, on the condition that Vax’ildan was returned only until Vecna died. Tumblr is a place to express yourself, discover yourself, and bond over the stuff you love. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://twitter.com/Pettyartist/status/916878474052333568, https://orig00.deviantart.net/926d/f/2017/280/0/8/counterspell_by_pettyartist-dbpvftm.png. Explore. Bard and some other classes is able to prepare these spells | Dungeons and Dragons 5e - D&D toos, Spells, Spell cards, Spellbooks' A Wish can't overcome the direct intervention of a god, and Vax had made a direct pact with the Raven Queen. SAM: Scanlan will say: Ooh! Crossing over with Tear Jerker, Sam reveals that he had been saving his 9th level spell to Wish Vax back once Vecna was defeated... moments after using said 9th level spell slot to Counterspell Vecna's 7th level Teleport spell.To emphasize, Scanlan spent the first half of the fight knocking on death's door. The skeleton god shot him a deadly glare, but Scanlan wasn't paying attention. That, and he expended an 8th-level Counterspell on a 5th-level Banishment on Grog and Pike if I recall, because "that's why he got closer". I pretty much had the same look of confusion that Joe did when we each saw Sam crying, but didn't know why. It was so real, too, like he was genuinely sacrificing his friend to save the world. Watching the VoD back after the fact was one hell of an emotional rollercoaster. Editing and timesetting: CRTranscript's … I thought that Scanlan cast at 9th level because he had used up his 7th and 8th level slots, and didn't want to chance a roll for DC17 to counter a 7th level Teleport. Teleport is a 7th level spell that cannot be up-casted, if Scanlan did a 7th level counterspell, it would've worked just as well, and he could've saved his 9th level slot. One walked in willing to fight two." I'm not crying, you're crying. He was. Photography Subjects. So by casting it at nine, it didn't matter what Vecna did, he was not going anywhere. He correctly assumed that Vecna had no 9th level spell slots left. Funny Height Challenge Pictures .. Watching it live, I had completely missed it. Unfortunately, he couldn't have known that. Counterspell (2x, usually 3rd level, cast at 7th level) Finger of Death (7th level) ... meaning someone cast the equivalent of three 9th level spells within the last few hours. - User Control Panel - Private Messages - Forum Rules - SAclopediaSAclopedia - IMO it's pretty clear he couldn't have. This video does a great job at mashing bits of the podcast with some emotional parts of Vox Machina’s adventures, too. I get choked up again just watching him describe it. Well, gird your loins, ladies, because he has his eye on you. Vecna, finally feeling the pressure, attempted to flee using the Hand’s Teleport spell, but Scanlan, still within Counterspell range, sacrificed his all-important 9th level spell slot to keep him where Vox Machina could see him. MATT: At 8th-level? Sam/Scanlan would have never, EVER, stopped bragging. Sorcerer: 1 level dip can be interesting in some cases (Draconic Origin for a DEX-focused character, Storm Origin to get free Disengage on spellcast, Favored Soul for extra lvl1 spells). No, it must be cast at the same level or higher. That Banish was cast at 7th level, I believe. Upon his betrayal of Vecna, he gained the moniker the Disobedient. The thing that hits is that there’s so much regret even before he says the words. During the final battle with Vecna, Scanlan is put into an extremely tough situation: Either save his last 9th level spell to cast Wish, allowing him to revive Vax, or use a 9th level Counterspell to stop Vecna from teleporting and escaping, since Vecna escaping would make the entire battle All for Nothing. Oh my god, one of my favs too! It even includes parts of their home game videos :), Listening to AWNP's second episode is a RIDE after this ep. Blue: Fantastic options, often essential to the function of your character. Did Sam just not know the details for Teleport, and he wanted to be sure Vecna definitely couldn't escape? By simply speaking aloud, you can alter the very foundations of reality in accord with your desires. Maybe I was thinking of an older edition along with what Matt Corville said in his video and just got it wrong. 3. Okay now that I’ve had a minute… let’s talk about that 9th level counterspell. Was there a houserule or another detail that I forgot or missed? Doing so makes the spell take on the level of whatever slot you use to cast it. You made me screw up you. So impactful when I first saw it. As I noted elsewhere here, he expended an 8th-level Counterspell on a 5th-level Banishment on Grog and Pike if I recall, because "that's why he got closer". If the creature is casting a spell of 3rd level or lower, its spell fails and has no effect. It was one of the best scenes I've seen. The fire spreads around corners Presumably you have watched Matt Colville breaking it down. I did see him break it down, I got very teary eyed. Effectively, the spell expands to fill the slot it is put into. Sam and Liam are national treasures. At the time, I was really nervous about that. Was Vecna using a different spell than Teleport? The thing that hits is that there’s so much regret even before he says the words. SAM: I am going to reaction Counterspell at 8th-level. Nor did he want to take chances. Which I understand as if counterspell is up-casted to the same level as the spell it's countering, the person who cast counterspell doesn't need to roll. A talented musician, master of disguise, and dashingly handsome in his own mind, Scanlan sings songs almost as much as he sings his own praises.Born a poor gnome, Scanlan used his endless charm and soaring tenor voice to croon for coin and support his single mother. Matt Colville got it wrong in his video. Watching Sam break down when Liam said "dont be sorry, I love you buddy" broke my heart and I just wanted to say thank you for those characters. If only he had used a 5th or 6th-level instead at that time... maybe then he could've been able to save an 8th for Teleport. I'm talking about the 9th level counterspell, I probably wasn't paying much attention, but I think Scanlan had other spell slots? Look what you made me do. Getting more levels has a sense only if you're ready to invest quite a few levels to make fun with Metamagic imo. Green: Good options. If you want to support Critical Role subscribe to their Twitch channel or stop by their online store. No it was just that he had already used his 7th and 8th level spell slots. A simple change in reality that would have changed things significantly for Vax. Being Sam's first Campaign, it was a great touch. Yet I persisted. Photography. Scanlan’s use of counterspell means he cannot use that 9th level spell slot to cast wish to keep Vax’ildan alive. Unfortunately, [they] failed to do so as he transported his Shadowfell city of Thar Amphala into the Prime Material world. The "2 levels higher" rule is an error that never dies no matter how many times it is corrected. Plus you just know he would have had some witty remark to scoff at the Raven Queen when he used the Wish in that case. The extra hit points increase when you reach certain levels in this class: to 1d8 at 9th level, to 1d10 at 13th level, and to 1d12 at 17th level. All Work No Play hosts and best buds Sam Riegel and Liam O'Brien are determined to stay connected (from a safe distance). So Vecna using a 3rd level Counterspell would have to succeed on DC19 to negate Scanlan's 9th level Counterspell. The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of or lower. You made me screw 4. 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